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	<description>Design by Ben Crothers of Catch Media</description>
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		<title>By: NathanaelB</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>NathanaelB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that an RJ-11 jack? LOL, old school.</description>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair question - we&#039;ll be posting on the winner tomorrow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair question &#8211; we&#8217;ll be posting on the winner tomorrow!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Thomler</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Thomler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the winner is .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the winner is &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Turner</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use the text logo from 14 and put it on a design from Ben Crothers (10 - 13)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use the text logo from 14 and put it on a design from Ben Crothers (10 &#8211; 13)</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Turner</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vote is for 03, 10 - 17. The others are not professional. Good work particularly to Ben Crothers and Todd Lopez; and good luck! I just missed the voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote is for 03, 10 &#8211; 17. The others are not professional. Good work particularly to Ben Crothers and Todd Lopez; and good luck! I just missed the voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Gruen</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lloyd,

A good suggestion. I&#039;ll be suggesting that we keep it in mind when the Taskforce considers this tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lloyd,</p>
<p>A good suggestion. I&#8217;ll be suggesting that we keep it in mind when the Taskforce considers this tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Bunting</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Bunting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen some lovely banners proposed, but could I suggest that the banner be no more than could be displayed on a current PDA/Blackberry (e.g. as used by Barack Obama)?  Have a banner, say 240 characters wide.

Rework the best of the submissions to produce something that works on a range of screen widths ... e.g. by having part of the banner on the left, and the other part being a background image that slides under the banner for smaller resolutions ... example:  http://bunting.com.au/sue (OK anyone could do a better job, but it demonstrates the point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some lovely banners proposed, but could I suggest that the banner be no more than could be displayed on a current PDA/Blackberry (e.g. as used by Barack Obama)?  Have a banner, say 240 characters wide.</p>
<p>Rework the best of the submissions to produce something that works on a range of screen widths &#8230; e.g. by having part of the banner on the left, and the other part being a background image that slides under the banner for smaller resolutions &#8230; example:  <a href="http://bunting.com.au/sue" rel="nofollow">http://bunting.com.au/sue</a> (OK anyone could do a better job, but it demonstrates the point).</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Thomler</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Thomler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian,

Case studies of crowd sourcing, let&#039;s see.... I talk about these in my blog quite a bit (and coincidentally had a post scheduled to go out today about it in my blog, which I&#039;ve rescheduled to earlier this morning so I can link to it)

The Netflix prize - http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/07/benefits-of-crowdsourcing-us1000000.html

Apps for America - http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/05/apps-for-america-competition-launches.html

UK - show us a better way - http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/uk-government-drops-its-pants-to.html

And here&#039;s some other references...
The Guardian - MP expenses: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4073/196/
Examples of crowdsourcing in action: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/crowdsourcing_million_heads.php
Three case studies on crowd sourcing: http://siliconangle.com/ver2/2009/06/01/crowdsourcing-evolves-three-case-studies/

I wouldn&#039;t necessarily agree that some organisations would not crowd source their business plans, look at Facebook&#039;s approach of consulting it&#039;s users on the direction for the site and Dell&#039;s IdeaStorm site which drives over 60% of new Dell products. Frankly there are other organisations who might be more in touch with their markets if they crowd sourced their business plan.

And we&#039;re talking about government here, not business. Democratic government in its essence could be considered a form of crowd sourcing, &#039;of the people, by the people, for the people&#039;.

Note that regarding design in particular (as you mentioned), many people do not choose to wear the fashions that the expert clothes designers choose to exhibit each season. Just because someone is &#039;expert&#039; does not mean they are &#039;in tune with the gestalt&#039;. If people want &#039;ordinary&#039; (which I&#039;d suggest is used in a negative way only by experts), let them have ordinary!

Sometimes there is a place for the &#039;expert&#039; view - and sometimes you&#039;re much better off letting the crowd decide what it is comfortable with right now. To quote &#039;politics is the art of the possible&#039; - which aligns quite neatly with crowd sourcing in my humble opinion.

Cheers,

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian,</p>
<p>Case studies of crowd sourcing, let&#8217;s see&#8230;. I talk about these in my blog quite a bit (and coincidentally had a post scheduled to go out today about it in my blog, which I&#8217;ve rescheduled to earlier this morning so I can link to it)</p>
<p>The Netflix prize &#8211; <a href="http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/07/benefits-of-crowdsourcing-us1000000.html" rel="nofollow">http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/07/benefits-of-crowdsourcing-us1000000.html</a></p>
<p>Apps for America &#8211; <a href="http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/05/apps-for-america-competition-launches.html" rel="nofollow">http://egovau.blogspot.com/2009/05/apps-for-america-competition-launches.html</a></p>
<p>UK &#8211; show us a better way &#8211; <a href="http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/uk-government-drops-its-pants-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://egovau.blogspot.com/2008/07/uk-government-drops-its-pants-to.html</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s some other references&#8230;<br />
The Guardian &#8211; MP expenses: <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4073/196/" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4073/196/</a><br />
Examples of crowdsourcing in action: <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/crowdsourcing_million_heads.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/crowdsourcing_million_heads.php</a><br />
Three case studies on crowd sourcing: <a href="http://siliconangle.com/ver2/2009/06/01/crowdsourcing-evolves-three-case-studies/" rel="nofollow">http://siliconangle.com/ver2/2009/06/01/crowdsourcing-evolves-three-case-studies/</a></p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily agree that some organisations would not crowd source their business plans, look at Facebook&#8217;s approach of consulting it&#8217;s users on the direction for the site and Dell&#8217;s IdeaStorm site which drives over 60% of new Dell products. Frankly there are other organisations who might be more in touch with their markets if they crowd sourced their business plan.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re talking about government here, not business. Democratic government in its essence could be considered a form of crowd sourcing, &#8216;of the people, by the people, for the people&#8217;.</p>
<p>Note that regarding design in particular (as you mentioned), many people do not choose to wear the fashions that the expert clothes designers choose to exhibit each season. Just because someone is &#8216;expert&#8217; does not mean they are &#8216;in tune with the gestalt&#8217;. If people want &#8216;ordinary&#8217; (which I&#8217;d suggest is used in a negative way only by experts), let them have ordinary!</p>
<p>Sometimes there is a place for the &#8216;expert&#8217; view &#8211; and sometimes you&#8217;re much better off letting the crowd decide what it is comfortable with right now. To quote &#8216;politics is the art of the possible&#8217; &#8211; which aligns quite neatly with crowd sourcing in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Grendel</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Grendel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re all so web 1.5. . .


Quite liked the Ben Crothers&#039; set, but the one with the cable coming from the flagpole scared me - Gov 2.0 is cabled?

I also agree with comments about Canberra centric - I would not visually link any physical infrastructure into the banner, after all Gov 2.0 might rely on physical infrastructure but should not be limited by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re all so web 1.5. . .</p>
<p>Quite liked the Ben Crothers&#8217; set, but the one with the cable coming from the flagpole scared me &#8211; Gov 2.0 is cabled?</p>
<p>I also agree with comments about Canberra centric &#8211; I would not visually link any physical infrastructure into the banner, after all Gov 2.0 might rely on physical infrastructure but should not be limited by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/07/06/help-choose-our-banner/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it&#039;s a tradeoff between letting it be completely settled by votes and preventing people from gaming the vote. If it had be announced from the start as a pure vote-only situation, it would have taken all of 30 seconds for 4chan to rock up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it&#8217;s a tradeoff between letting it be completely settled by votes and preventing people from gaming the vote. If it had be announced from the start as a pure vote-only situation, it would have taken all of 30 seconds for 4chan to rock up.</p>
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